Re: Complexity? Was : RE: Re: dialog box controls a nd menu/ toolbox in same window?

     kevin.appert_at_LMCO.com should be the address which is appearing on these
sftalk list posts. That is my work email address and anyone on the list is
welcome to use it to respond if they only want to email to me and not the
whole list.

      I don't understand why that address would bounce as it is
automatically appended to outbound messages and sftalk manages to mail in to
me with no problem, today included.

     My personal email is forth_at_jps.net

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> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 1:59 PM
> To: sftalk_at_forth.com
> Subject: [sftalk] Re: Complexity? Was : RE: Re: dialog box controls
> and menu/ toolbox in same window?
>
>
> Kevin,
>
> I tried emailing your personal email but it bounced back. What is it?
>
>
>
> >
> > > Forth is too complicated for most people,
> > Compared to what other programming language?
>
> Maybe this is because of the pre-fab code that comes with c/c++ ?
>
> Most people learn enough
> > Forth to do useful work within the first two weeks of study. It takes
> more
> > like a couple of months for say, C.
>
> I agree even though I understood BASIC, since 1986-7, C was very strange
> when I reentered a class room in 1996-7. Everything I knew was out the
> window.
>
> 'Naked' Forth has two orders of
> > magnitude fewer keywords (or function names or whatever you care to call
> > them) than comparable other languages.
>
> Yes, Forth was easier for someone like me who had BASIC years ago. I mean,
> until I re-entered a community college course, my programming was in the
> dark
> ages. But because it was in the dark ages, I knew more than the other
> students
> who knew windows 95, which was new for me at that time. So forth words
> and logic were more familiar when I first began to read it.
>
> But, then, with Forth, a programmer has to know more about the machine
> code.
> So, as simple as the words seem to be they are a double edged sword. You
> have
> to know what you are doing from the inside out vs. the outside in like in
> c/c++/java
> where the inside is occult knowledge. One can only imagine what is inside
> the compiler.
> If code does not work, you have to pray that it will work at some point.
> That is what
> one of my old colleages who now works at HP does... at his machine -)
>
> One of the drivers for using Forth
> > over other languages has traditionally been its simplicity and
> compactness.
> > Fewer, clearer lines of code and an understandable infrastructure make
> for
> > lower cost, shorter schedule and increased reliability,
>
> But the real issue is that to make that code compact, one has to think
> first. I do
> not know if you noticed how lazy people are with their brains. They would
> rather
> pay someone to think vs. think.
>
>
> >
> > I've been bad and strayed into the more philosophical aspects
> again.
> > Anyone wishing to continue a dialog with me on this subject please email
> me
> > directly instead of the sftalk list.
> >
> FORTH needs teachers, mentors!!!
>
> jodell
> azedia_at_dolfina.org
>
>
>
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