4thScript [ Was: RE: Re: dialog box controls and menu/to olbox in same window?]

The MS 4thscript appears at:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q216073
see also the 3 other links at
http://www.altavista.com/sites/search/web?q=forthscript&pg=q&kl=XX
and the Chinese link
http://www.microsoft.com/china/msdownload/visual/visual.htm

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Azedia of DOLFINA [SMTP:dolfina_at_dolfina.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 12:40 PM
> To: sftalk_at_forth.com
> Subject: [sftalk] Re: dialog box controls and menu/toolbox in same
> win dow?
>
>
> I found a Microsoft attempt at forthscript:
> http://www.ddj.com/documents/s=1520/ddj0104as/0104as001.htm. I downloaded
> it
> and really could not figure out how to use it. But I believe it is not
> written in forth. And, I think they dropped the project.
>
> I would like a FORTH script engine dll. Does anyone already have one? Mr.
> Kuhn at Free Software Foundation was trying to explain to me that a
> Swifthforth script dll is not possible with the SF kernel if everyone
> needs
> SF to run it.
>
> I really would like clarification here. I have asked more than a few times
> at the sftalk. It seems that SF can be used as long as the kernel and
> compiler are not being used without a license. Mr. Kuhn has stated that if
> that is true one cannot offer a scripting engine which does not allow use
> of
> kernel and compiler. I guess his point is that the kernel will be used
> when
> running the script and the compiler would be used in creating the script.
>
> I am almost clear but I am still cloudy. Can we program a dll or .exe that
> can be used for scripting?
>
> Jodell
>
>
> >
> > tue 08Jan2002
> >
> > Forth is too complicated for most people, like RPN calculators,
> > which once you get used to them are nice
> > In a world of visual basic and simple (read English like syntax),
> > anthing that looks or is more complex like C++ or Lisp or Smalltalk or
> > Prolog is bound to fail to attract any market share, especially when the
> > largest consumer software company- Microsoft does not offer a Forth
> bas3ed
> > product for their app or OS development
> > The one that seems to run counter to this trend is Borland with
> > their Pascal-Delphi, j-builder, Kylix products; however I expect even
> them
> > (which Microsoft has a piece of) and the java community to feel the
> pressure
> > from Microsoft's C# product line the .net mix.
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Appert, Kevin [SMTP:kevin.appert_at_lmco.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:17 PM
> > > To: 'sftalk_at_forth.com'
> > > Subject: [sftalk] Re: dialog box controls and menu/toolbox in same
> > > win dow?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >I wonder, what is the average age of Forth programmers now? Are we
> > > a dying
> > > >breed?
> > >
> > > It seems as if most of the people showing up at the monthly
> > > Silicon Valley FIG meeting are mid 40's-mid 50's with one or two
> younger
> > > folks at most meetings. The group has dwindled in size, mostly around
> 30
> > > people depending on time of year.
> > > In a world where the clueless pointy-haired bosses are
> > > implementing systems (PC and embedded) with Windows (XP and whatever
> they
> > > are calling the embedded product formerly CE - new name, same huge
> > > footprint
> > > and long list of known bugs) my hopes of Forth establishing a
> substantial
> > > market share have also dwindled.
> > > Anyone with ideas for promoting the use of Forth should speak
> > > up now. The Forth Interest Group is crying out for your ideas,
> energy
> > > and
> > > enthusiasm. We're a bit off-topic so just email me directly if you
> want
> to
> > > discuss this further.
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